He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. Renton, WA 98058. They thanked him for the work they had done in cleaning up Wine Alley and bringing Burnsides two-year reign of terror to an end. The following year in 1966, the yard was again reorganised as Fairfields and guaranteed by the government in response. Naw, he was told, but we have a wee boy in the back. 3 Yet, there is still much to show that community power is not only real but can work effectively. In sum, effective participatory urban management calls for a fundamental rethink from all the players involved, from the local authorities and development agencies, through local (and sometimes international) non-governmental organisations, to the community-based organisations themselve; in redefining their roles and relationships, if something is to be done for the benefit of all. I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. For other uses, see. At the time this article was written in the local Southside paper, prices for the projected apartments were going up dramatically among the speculators.14 A few hundred yards east of this development, one-bedroom apartments at the newly built QE3 (Clydeside Festival Park) in Govan were selling for 129,995 while two-bedrooms at the same place will cost you 199,995. Bishop King. Great memories of Summertown Road baths. I can see from the various pieces of information I have obtained that the Leddy's lived in various places in Govan including 61 Victoria Street, 10 John Street, 76 White Street and 11 Logie Street. Around this time heroin dealing was rife in Govan, particularly in an area called Moorepark, which was nicknamed Wine Alley. However, people striving to improve their existing environment have limited freedom to act independently. And Linda Paterson, I knew your dad Geordie Paterson, and I think he had a brother Willie. Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? [29], Kvrner of Norway, as part of a planned development of a large international shipbuilding group, took over Govan. My maternal grandfather was a master brass moulder in the shipyards. Our first daughter was born in 1962, and then when she was six months old, we went to Toronto, Canada. Many of the people who buy these flats do not intend to stay in them rather; they hope either to rent them out at exorbitant prices or to sell them quickly at a greater price than they bought them for. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. Does anyone remember my dad Iain Campbell and mother Margaret Marshall born 1921 and 1922? Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. 103m Big Mouth . I used to know a Maureen Murray who lived about there she would be about 72 now. Dry Docks Cafe. The church of Govan was a prebend of Glasgow. Based on this, Govan's Cumbric language name has been reconstructed as *(G)uovan. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. I remember your family at 100 Harmony Row, my cousin Maisie McAlinden was friendly with the family also my Granny, or as she was better known, MAW Austin, hence I was bettter known a Joe Austin. Robert sadly passed away when he was 2 and then my dad James was born in 1960. Good memories. He also sold single woodbine cigarettes out the packet. Govan was the site of a ford and later a ferry which linked the area with Partick for seasonal cattle drovers. If I could I would have bought many! Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. When Damer returned to the area in 1989 he found that his earlier report had had two outcomes. Egg And Chip' 11/2. There was another pub next door, The Bellrock. Somewhere along the Govan Road, there was a sweet shop with a train set that would go around all the big jars of sweets. Great times. I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. Community organisation. Used to have a friend called Theresa Moody who died quite young. Servicii comunitare. It was the policy that those with low incomes, few housing points or nowhere else to go, could only expect the least attractive housing. and education and learning came into my thoughts. Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. Not Now. Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley. [9], The earliest references to Govan are found in connection with the Christian church. 5 Smith, 1992, p. 4 I went to Harmony Row school and below is my class photograph from around 1957, I have given the names as far as I remember starting at the back row left. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. This facilitated the development of shipbuilding as a major industry. Our children and grandchildren have been back many times as well. The main point of the Presentation was that, in an area which had lost 80% of its population (between 1951 and 2001), the re-zoning of demolished housing areas for warehousing and offices meant that there was less chance of people coming back into the area to live, as houses were needed in these areas and not anonymous commercial barns and offices. he had come to live in Wine Alley to see for himself why it seemed to be such a horrible place to outsiders. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. There were two other sporting venues for local residents and workers located in the south of Govan (with no space available in the industrial northern area at the Clyde): White City Stadium and Albion Greyhound Stadium, both now entirely demolished. 13 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 92 Like Pauline I also went to St. Margaret's and I also recall Susan's Shop. By the 1860s, the village needed a higher order of administration and it was made a burgh in 1864, under the General Police (Scotland) Act 1862. However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. The scheme was codenamed Operation Buckfast after a brand of tonic wine popular in the area. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! Get into Govan. ', "1881 England Census, The London Charterhouse, St Sepulchre Without, London, p.6 RG11/344", "University of Glasgow:: Story:: Biography of Jimmy Reid", "Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act 1977 (c. 3) Schedule 2 Shipbuilding Industry", Govan Maps 1857-1934, National Library of Scotland, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govan&oldid=1127691800, Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with Wikisource reference, Short description is different from Wikidata, Articles containing Scottish Gaelic-language text, Articles with MusicBrainz area identifiers, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 16 December 2022, at 03:51. Naturally the slum dwellers of Govan, who though it their right to have most of the new house in their own locality, were angry and outraged at their expectations being ignored by the authorities. alebo. This is a small family owned and operated place. 14). In his 2008 memoir Chasing Killers he reflected on his time on the Southside. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! Within a years, Moorepark had gained the abusive epithet of the Wine Alley. Been looking at the old pictures of Govan and wondered if anyone remembers my father's Chemist/Optician shop at Govan Cross near Helen St, 830 Govan Road. My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. A big gang of kids would all go to the pictures on Saturday afternoon and one kid would pay to get in and then would go round to the fire escape door and open it and let the rest of the kids in for free. Create New Account. [21], The area has had a reputation for deprivation and poverty, partly due to the construction of housing estates in the 1930s to relieve the overcrowded slum district of The Gorbals, Glasgow. You can make a complaint by using the report this post link . My husband also comes from Govan. I used to go there with my Mum to Woolworths, they had shoe shops and everything you wanted. He liked nothing better than tothrow empty drugs packets out of his window and watch a crowd of desperateaddicts scrambling for them. She had 3 boys Alex, Willie and Robert. I remember two days before we left in 1963, I took her to the Govan Fair, and that was the last one I ever saw. [9] It had also been parodied by the BBC Scotland television comedy series Rab C. Nesbitt, with Wine Alley and the wider Govan area the stated setting for the show, though episodes were seldom filmed there. I remember Betty McPhee, Margaret Liversidge, the Gourlay brothers and Brian Wilson.We lived in the top floor for a few years and the moved to bigger flat on first floor with a bathroom. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. Sometimes on a Sunday we would go over to Kelvingrove and (if memory serves me) run around the suits of armour until we were thrown out of the Art Galleries. Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 However, as soon as Bishop Loch got permission to build, they immediately decided to cancel the hotel, and double the amount of private houses to a 1,000. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. Govan is home to the Scottish Junior football team Benburb F.C. Where Were Hanged In Glasgow? - Tovisorga.com I used to go to Jack's Bakers on a Saturday morning for a dozen rolls and half a dozen teabread and I still got change from a half a crown (12.5 pence), happy days! Gran was Annie Murphy but her dad died when she was 4 and her mother remarried John Johnston and went on to have a huge number of children - and as we research the family, we keep finding more. My paternal grandfather was an engine keeper for the Phoenix Copper Works, and lived on Brighton Street. Several hotel chains have moved in while both BBC Scotland and STV have their studio complexes there. Contents Where Were Hanged In Glasgow? Small things eh? Every month her and neighbours would make tablet, cakes, scones and stuff. Within it and its roughly circular churchyard is one of the finest collections of Early Christian stones in the United Kingdom, known as the Govan Stones, dating from the c.9th to 11th centuries. I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. Seven generations of our family have been born in Govan. Many of the latter were too poor, ignorant and disorganised to remedy the situation themselves, and so the earliest community planners or social agencies necessarily undertook the first initiatives for planning and providing for people. Of Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. I met him at our place of employment. The wines were delicious but unfortunately out of my price range. Govan Church was rebuilt in 1762, and again in 1826. We lived in Linthouse at that time, and then we moved to Shaw Street in Govan. "I like to be challenged and Govan did that every day.". The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. Mind you, the mice we lifted them out of a glass tank by the tail then put them in thick brown bags of thinnish white boxes for their journey home and I'm convinced most would have chewed through and escaped within minutes of leaving the shop. Alameda's getting a huge, splashy restaurant from S.F. fine dining vets When we moved to Nitshill in 1060, I realised how much I had loved Govan. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. I went to St. Anthony's Primary School and after passing my quallies I went to St. Gerard's. The people of Govan didn't often use a vet, but came into the shop with their poorly pets and we all fussed over them, cuddled them, nursed them and Jackie recommended and administered patent pet medicines like Bob Martins. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. Otherwise, unless there is agreement between authority and community, issues like social segregation will never go away unless something is done is because the housing system (and the way it operates) encourages the separation of the rich and the poor. Now her daughter (my mother) is 92 years old and I am fascinated by the stories which her mother passed down to her and now to me. Glorious Govan. NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. When he had gone, we used to draw pictures in the coal dust on the white sheet on our bed. I cleaned it up and he must have been watching, as he came back out to see if I had done well. I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. The police discovered an empty flat on the eighth floor which would give them a birds eye view of the entrance to Burnsides tenement flat close. Providing activities for member children and young people Providing informal and formal training for family members Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. [15], With Morris Pollok as its first Provost, the Burgh and its Commissioners ensured that during the next 48 years Govan became a well-equipped, modern town. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. RM 2E6CW9C - Workers line the street and applaud the hearse carrying former trade union official Jimmy Reid as it is driven past the Govan shipyard in Glasgow, Scotland August 19, 2010. 7 Markus, 1993, p. 163 Without a home, mankind has no place. Non-governmental organisations working in the field such as the Church, charitable organisations, etc., have for a long time advocated Community Planning or management of the urban environment as the best solution to this problem of how to give a better quality of life to many of the citizens of our country. Also used to go for a bath there even though we had a bath at home. Drumoyne primary it was, a year after my big brother Robert started (about 53) then on to Govan High School, that was the one which caught fire when I was due to sit my O levels (no excuses). I don't like to think what might have happened if they had been discovered.''. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie Street until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie St until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. ZinAlley Winery - California Winery Advisor The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. The Old Govan Fair. Writing on behalf of my auntie. This settlement was set aside on 20 December 1621, and only the patronage of Govan was left to the University. Wine Alley Revisited | CITY STROLLS We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. My father was a chemist who worked for the SCWS.